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Namo Buddhaya,

Saya membuat topik ini karena setelah banyak membaca literatur Agama Hindu saya menemukan banyak sekali kesamaan dengan Agama Buddha bahkan bisa dibilang sama namun hanya berbeda dalam bahasa saja tapi tidak dalam arti.

Saya mengajak kawan-kawan semua untuk berdiskusi disini tetapi mohon tetap dalam koridor etika yang telah disepakati sehingga tidak menyinggung umat Agama Hindu.

Terima kasih banyak untuk partisipasinya.

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #1 on: 20 September 2010, 06:41:16 PM »
Mungkin sebagai TS, sdr. Triyana bisa memberikan garis besar persamaan dan perbedaan antara kedua agama tersebut karena kebanyakan dari kita umat Buddhis tidak mengetahui ajaran Hindu.

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #2 on: 20 September 2010, 06:47:14 PM »
Namo Buddhaya,

Untuk menarik minat diskusi saya berikan satu topik kesejajaran Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu :

Moksha (Hindu) : In Indian religions, Moksha (Sanskrit: मोक्ष mokṣa) or Mukti (Sanskrit: मुक्ति), literally "release" (both from a root muc "to let loose, let go"), is the liberation from samsara and the concomitant suffering involved in being subject to the cycle of repeated death and rebirth (reincarnation).

Kira-kira terjemahannya seperti ini : Di agama-agama yang berasal dari India, Moksha atau Mukti, secara tata bahasa berarti "pembebasan" (kedua-duanya dari akar kata muc yang artinya "untuk membebaskan, membebaskan"), adalah pembebasan dari samsara yang seiring sejalan dengan pembebasan dari penderitaaan lingkaran kematian dan kelahiran kembali (reinkarnasi).

Hmm tampaknya sama dengan definisi agama Buddha tentang pembebasan dan pencapaian Nirvana.  :-?


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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #3 on: 20 September 2010, 07:23:50 PM »
Namo Buddhaya,

Tambah satu lagi :

1. Brahman(Hindu) : Mohon dibedakan dengan Brahma dan Maha Brahma dalam Agama Buddha karena Brahman bukan Brahma atau Maha Brahma.

In the Hindu religion, Brahman (Devanāgarī: ब्रह्मन् bráhman) is the eternal, unchanging, infinite, immanent, and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe.[1] The nature of Brahman is described as transpersonal, personal and impersonal by different philosophical schools. In the Rig Veda, Brahman gives rise to the primordial being Hiranyagarbha that is equated with the creator god Brahmā. The trimurti can thus be considered a personification of Brahman as the active principle behind the phenomena of the universe. Sumber Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman (Untuk teks lengkap silahkan klik Wikipedia)

Terjemahan : Dalam Agama Hindu, Brahman adalah yang abadi, tak berubah, tak terbatas, yang imanen, kasunyataan transenden yaitu Dasar Spiritual (Yang Absolut) dari semua benda, kekuatan, waktu, ruang, keberadaan dan segala sesuatu yang maha di Alam Semesta ini. [1] Sifat alamiah dari Brahman dideskripsikan sebagai melampaui pribadi (transpersonal), sebagai pribadi (personal) dan bukan pribadi (impersonal) oleh berbagai macam aliran (sekte) dari agama-agama di India. Dalam Rig Veda, karena Brahman-lah maka ada dasar dari keberadaan yaitu  Hiranyagarbha yang disejajarkan dengan dewa pencipta Brahma. Sang Trimurti (Brahma,Wisnu,Siva) dapat dianggap sebagai personifikasi dari Brahman yang ketiganya adalah asas pokok kehidupan dalam fenomena semesta.




Dalam agama Buddha dikenal konsep Ketuhanan yang Maha Esa  :-? :


Teks Pali

Sutta Pitaka, Udana VIII : 3

Ketahuilah para Bhikkhu bahwa ada sesuatu Yang Tidak Dilahirkan, Yang Tidak Menjelma, Yang Tidak Tercipta, Yang Mutlak. Duhai para Bhikkhu, apabila Tidak ada Yang Tidak Dilahirkan, Yang Tidak Menjelma, Yang Tidak Diciptakan, Yang Mutlak, maka tidak akan mungkin kita dapat bebas dari kelahiran, penjelmaan, pembentukan, pemunculan dari sebab yang lalu. Tetapi para Bhikkhu, karena ada Yang Tidak Dilahirkan, Yang Tidak Menjelma, Yang Tidak Tercipta, Yang Mutlak, maka ada kemungkinan untuk bebas dari kelahiran, penjelmaan, pembentukan, pemunculan dari sebab yang lalu.

Dalam teks sankrit Mahayana :

Beberapa Sutra Mahayana tertentu (seperti Sutra Nirwana dan Sutra Teratai) dan terutama tantra-tantra tertentu seperti Kunjed Gyalpo Tantra memberikan menunjukkan bahwa sikap memandang Buddha yang maha hadir, mempunyai intisari yang membebaskan dan abadi kenyataan dari segala benda, sampai sejauh ini, boleh dibilang sudah mendekati pandangan Tuhan sebagai segalanya.

Tathagatagarbha terletak di dalam Sutra Lankavatara yang dikenal sebagai akar dari kesadaran penuh semua makhluk hidup, yaitu Alaya-vijnana. Tathagatagarbha-Alayavijnana ini dinyatakan tidak dapat dispekulasikan, tetapi dapat dimengerti secara langsung.

Positive teachings on the ātman in Mahāyāna Buddhism

Within the Mahāyāna branch of Buddhism, there exists an important class of sutras (influential upon Ch'an and Zen Buddhism), generally known as Buddha nature (tathāgatagarbha) sutras (also: "Buddha-matrix" or "Buddha-embryo" sutras), a number of which affirm that, in contradistinction to the impermanent "mundane self" of the five skandhas (the physical and mental components of the mutable ego), there does exist an eternal true self, which is in fact none other than the Buddha himself in his ultimate nirvanic nature. This is the "true self" in the self of each being, the ideal personality, attainable by all beings due to their inborn potential for enlightenment. The Buddha nature does not represent a substantial self (ātman); rather, it is a positive language and expression of emptiness (śūnyatā) and represents the potentiality to realize Buddhahood through Buddhist practices; the intention of the teaching of Buddha nature is soteriological rather than theoretical.[14]

Prior to the period of the tathāgatagarbha genre, Mahāyāna metaphysics had been dominated by teachings on emptiness in the form of Madhyamaka philosophy. The language used by this approach is primarily negative, and the tathāgatagarbha genre of sutras can be seen as an attempt to state orthodox Buddhist teachings of dependent origination using positive language instead, to prevent people from being turned away from Buddhism by a false impression of nihilism. In these sutras the perfection of the wisdom of not-self is stated to be the true self; the ultimate goal of the path is then characterized using a range of positive language that had been used in Indian philosophy previously by essentialist philosophers, but which was now transmuted into a new Buddhist vocabulary to describe a being who has successfully completed the Buddhist path.[15]

Not all Buddhists and scholars share this interpretation of the doctrine of self in the tathāgatagarbha sutras. Dr. Kosho Yamamoto, who translated the entire Mahāparinirvāṇa Sūtra into English, tells of how the Buddha speaks in that scripture of doctrines previously not articulated. Now, in order to correct people’s misunderstanding of the Dharma, the Buddha - according to Yamamoto - tells of how He speaks of the positive qualities of nirvana, which includes the self:

He [i.e. the Buddha] says that he is now ready to speak about the undisclosed teachings. Men abide in upside-down thoughts. So he will now speak of the affirmative attributes of Nirvana, which are none other than the Eternal, Bliss, the Self and the Pure.[16]

The Zen Buddhist master, Sekkei Harada, likewise speaks of a true Self in his explications of Zen Buddhism. This true Self is found when one "forgets the ego-self".[17] Harada states that the doctrine of "no-self" really means awakening to a self that is without any limits and thus invisible: "No-self means to awaken to a Self that is so vast and limitless that it cannot be seen."[18] Harada concludes his reflections on Zen Buddhism by speaking of the need for an almost passionate encounter with the "person" of the essential True Self:

… in our lifetime there is only one person we must encounter, one person we must meet as though we were passionately in love. That person is the essential Self, the true Self. As long as you don’t meet this Self, it will be impossible to find true satisfaction in your heart …[19]

Analogously, Professor Michael Zimmermann, a specialist on the Tathāgatagarbha Sūtra, writes: "the existence of an eternal, imperishable self, that is, buddhahood, is definitely the basic point of the Tathagatagarbha Sutra".[20] Professor Zimmermann also declares: "[The compilers of the Tathāgatagarbha Sūtra] did not hesitate to attribute an obviously substantialist notion to the buddha-nature of living beings"[21] and notes the evident total lack of interest in this sutra for any ideas of non-substantialism or "emptiness" (śūnyatā): "Throughout the whole Tathagatagarbha Sutra the term śūnyatā does not even appear once, nor does the general drift of the TGS somehow imply the notion of śūnyatā as its hidden foundation. On the contrary, the sutra uses very positive and substantialist terms to describe the nature of living beings."[22]

Dr. Jamie Hubbard writes on the diverse ways in which the tathāgatagarbha texts (which on occasion speak of the self) are viewed by various scholars, some seeing an absolutist monism in them, others not. Dr. Hubbard comments:

Matsumoto [calls] attention to the similarity between the extremely positive language and causal structure of enlightenment found in the tathagatagarbha literature and that of the substantial monism found in the atman/Brahman tradition. Matsumoto, of course, is not the only one to have noted this resemblance. Takasaki Jikido, for example, the preeminent scholar of the tathagatagarbha tradition, sees monism in the doctrine of the tathagatagarbha and the Mahayana in general … Obermiller wedded this notion of a monistic Absolute to the tathagatagarbha literature in his translation and comments to the Ratnagotra, which he aptly subtitled “A Manual of Buddhist Monism” … Lamotte and Frauwallner have seen the tathagatagarbha doctrine as diametrically opposed to the Madhyamika and representing something akin to the monism of the atman/Brahman strain, while yet others such as Nagao, Seyfort Ruegg, and Johnston (the editor of the Ratnagotra) simply voice their doubts and state that it seems similar to post-Vedic forms of monism. Yet another camp, represented by Yamaguchi Susumu and his student Ogawa Ichijo, is able to understand tathagatagarbha thought without recourse to Vedic notions by putting it squarely within the Buddhist tradition of conditioned causality and emptiness, which, of course, explicitly rejects monism of any sort. Obviously, the question of the monist or absolutist nature of the tathagatagarbha and Buddha-nature traditions is complex.[23]

Dr. Hubbard concludes his investigation into the notion of tathāgatagarbha with the words:

the teaching of the tathagatagarbha has always been debatable, for it is fundamentally an affirmative approach to truth and wisdom, offering descriptions of reality not in negative terms of what it is lacking or empty of (apophatic description, typical of the Pefection of Wisdom corpus and the Madhyhamika school) but rather in positive terms of what it is (cataphatic description, more typical of the devotional, tantric, Mahaparinirvana and Lotus Sutra traditions, and, it should be noted, the monistic terms of the orthodox Brahmanic systems)[24]

The true self of the Buddha is indeed said to be pure, real and blissful, and to be attainable by anyone in the state of mahāparinirvāṇa. Furthermore, the essence of that Buddha — the Buddha-dhātu ("Buddha-nature", "Buddha principle"), or Dharmakāya, as it is termed — is present in all sentient beings and is described as "radiantly luminous". This Buddha-dhātu is said in the Nirvāṇa Sūtra to be the uncreated, immutable and immortal essence (svabhāva) of all beings, which can never be harmed or destroyed. The most extensive sutra promulgating this as an "ultimate teaching" (uttara-tantra) on the Buddhic essence of all creatures, animals included, is the Mahāyāna Mahāparinirvāṇa Sūtra. There we read in words attributed to the Buddha: "... it is not the case that they [i.e. all phenomena] are devoid of the Self. What is this Self? Any phenomenon ["dharma"] that is true ["satya"], real ["tattva"], eternal ["nitya"], sovereign/autonomous ["aishvarya"] and whose foundation is unchanging ["ashraya-aviparinama"] is termed 'the Self' [atman]." (translated from Dharmakṣema's version of the Mahayana Mahaparinirvana Sutra). This true self — so the Buddha of such scriptures indicates — must never be confused with the ordinary, ever-changing, worldly ego, which, with all its emotional and moral taints and turmoil, conceals the true self from view. Far from being possessed of the negative attributes of the mundane ego, the Buddhic or nirvanic Self is proclaimed by the Buddha of the Nirvāṇa Sūtra to be characterised by "great loving-kindness, great compassion, great sympathetic joy, and great equanimity" (see: the four Brahmavihāras).

In equating the Buddha-nature with practice, King argues that the author of the Buddha-Nature Treatise "undercuts any possibility of conceiving Buddha nature as an entity of any kind, as a Hindu–like Ātman or even as a purely mental process."[25]

In the Mahāyāna Mahāparinirvāṇa Sūtra the Buddha is portrayed explaining that he proclaims all beings to have Buddha-nature in the sense that they will in the future become Buddhas:

Good son, there are three ways of having: first, to have in the future, secondly, to have at present, and thirdly, to have in the past. All sentient beings will have in future ages the most perfect enlightenment, i.e., the Buddha nature. All sentient beings have at present bonds of defilements, and do not now possess the thirty-two marks and eighty noble characteristics of the Buddha. All sentient beings had in past ages deeds leading to the elimination of defilements and so can now perceive the Buddha nature as their future goal. For such reasons, I always proclaim that all sentient beings have the Buddha nature.[14]

In the later Lankāvatāra Sūtra it is said that the tathāgatagarbha might be mistaken for a self, which it is not.[26]

Some other Buddhist sutras and tantras also speak affirmatively of the self. For instance, the Mahabheriharaka Sutra insists: "... at the time one becomes a Tathagata, a Buddha, he is in nirvana, and is referred to as 'permanent', 'steadfast', 'calm', 'eternal', and 'Self' [atman]." Similarly, the Śrīmālā Sūtra declares unequivocally: "When sentient beings have faith in the Tathagata [Buddha] and those sentient beings conceive [him] with permanence, pleasure, self, and purity, they do not go astray. Those sentient beings have the right view. Why so? Because the Dharmakaya [ultimate nature] of the Tathagata has the perfection of permanence, the perfection of pleasure, the perfection of self, the perfection of purity. Whatever sentient beings see the Dharmakaya of the Tathagata that way, see correctly."[27] An early Buddhist tantra, the Guhyasamājā Tantra, declares: "The universal Self of entities sports by means of the illusory samādhi. It performs the deeds of a Buddha while stationed at the traditional post" (i.e. while never moving). The same tantra also imbues the self with radiant light (a common image): "The pure Self, adorned with all adornments, shines with a light of blazing diamond ..." [28] And the All-Creating King Tantra (the Kunjed Gyalpo Tantra, a scripture of the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism, also designated a sutra) has the primordial Buddha, Samantabhadra, state, "... the root of all things is nothing else but one Self … I am the place in which all existing things abide."[29]

Furthermore, the Tibetan Buddhist scripture entitled The Expression of Manjushri's Ultimate Names (Mañjuśrī-nāma-saṅgīti), as quoted by the Tibetan Buddhist master, Dolpopa,[30] applies the following terms to the Ultimate Buddhic Reality:

"the Pervasive Lord"

"the Supreme Guardian of the world"

"Buddha-Self"

"the Beginningless Self"

"the Self of Thusness"

"the Self of primordial purity"

"the Source of all"

"the Single Self"

"the Diamond Self"

"the Solid Self"

"the Holy, Immovable Self"

"the Supreme Self"

"the Supreme Self of All Creatures".

Moreover, with reference to one of Vasubandhu's commentarial works, Dolpopa affirms the reality of the pure self, which is not the worldly ego, in the following terms:

"... the uncontaminated element is the buddhas' supreme Self ... because buddhas have attained pure Self, they have become the Self of great Selfhood. Through this consideration, the uncontaminated is posited as the supreme Self of buddhas."[31]

The 14th Dalai Lama on the "subtle person or self"

In 2005, commenting on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, a text in the highest yoga tantra, the 14th Dalai Lama explained how this tantra conceives both of a temporary person, and a subtle person or self, which it links to the Buddha nature. He writes:

… when we look at [the] interdependence of mental and physical constituents from the perspective of Highest Yoga Tantra, there are two concepts of a person. One is the temporary person or self, that is as we exist at the moment, and this is labeled on the basis of our coarse or gross physical body and conditioned mind, and, at the same time, there is a subtle person or self which is designated in dependence on the subtle body and subtle mind. This subtle body and subtle mind are seen as a single entity that has two facets. The aspect which has the quality of awareness, which can reflect and has the power of cognition, is the subtle mind. Simultaneously, there is its energy, the force that activates the mind towards its object – this is the subtle body or subtle wind. These two inextricably conjoined qualities are regarded, in Highest Yoga Tantra, as the ultimate nature of a person and are identified as buddha nature, the essential or actual nature of mind.[32]
Sumber Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atman_(Buddhism) (Untuk teks lengkap silahkan klik Wikipedia)

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #4 on: 20 September 2010, 07:44:10 PM »
Namo Buddhaya,

Silahkan didebat, kritik, saran  :)

Nirvana

The word nirvana (Pali: Nibbana) was first used in its technical sense in Buddhism, and cannot be found in any of the pre-Buddhist Upanishads (It can be found in Jain texts). The use of the term in the Bhagavad Gita may be a sign of the strong Buddhist influence upon Hindu thought.[52] Although the word nirvana is absent from the Upanishads, the word itself existed prior to the Buddha.[118] It must be kept in mind that nirvana is one of many terms for salvation that occur in the orthodox Buddhist scriptures. Other terms that appear are 'Vimokha', or 'Vimutti', implying 'salvation' and 'deliverance' respectively.[119] Some more words synonymously used for nirvana in Buddhist scriptures are 'mokkha/moksha', meaning 'liberation' and 'kevala/kaivalya', meaning 'wholeness'; these words were given a new Buddhist meaning.[120]

Sumber : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Hinduism

Hmm menarik dalam Agama Buddha juga ditemukan kata-kata mokkha/moksha dan kevala/kaivalya.

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #5 on: 20 September 2010, 07:49:48 PM »
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Namo Buddhaya,

Untuk menarik minat diskusi saya berikan satu topik kesejajaran Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu :

Kira-kira terjemahannya seperti ini : Di agama-agama yang berasal dari India, Moksha atau Mukti, secara tata bahasa berarti "pembebasan" (kedua-duanya dari akar kata muc yang artinya "untuk membebaskan, membebaskan"), adalah pembebasan dari samsara yang seiring sejalan dengan pembebasan dari penderitaaan lingkaran kematian dan kelahiran kembali (reinkarnasi).

Kalo sepintas dibaca sih rasanya sama, namun pertanyaan selanjutnya apakah identik?  maksudnya, samsara yg dimaksud antara di hindu dan di buddha sama, terus apakah nibbananya sama? dll

Sepintas juga saya coba baca di wiki tentang konsep ketuhanan Yang maha esa. (kita kan masih di Indonesia bro, inget pancasila sila pertama)
Hindu:
dalam Pancasradha >> lima keyakinan hindu, yang pertama adalah:
Widhi Tattwa - percaya kepada Tuhan Yang Maha Esa dan segala aspeknya

dimana disini artinya umat hindu mengakui adanya tuhan pencipta, lebih jelas lagi dalam penjelasan sifat brahman, yg ke 4 dari 5
"avibhaktaṁ ca bhūteṣu vibhaktam iva ca sthitam, bhūta-bhartṛ ca taj jñeyaṁ grasiṣṇu prabhaviṣṇu ca"
Walaupun Beliau terbagi di antara insani, namun Beliau tidak dapat dibagi. Ia mantap sebagai Yang Maha Tunggal. Ia pemelihara segala makhluk, dan Beliau menciptakan sekaligus memusnahkan mereka

tapi kalo budha tidak mengenal tuhan pencipta,
Atthi Ajatang Abhutang Akatang Asamkhatang
Suatu Yang Tidak Dilahirkan, Tidak Dijelmakan, Tidak Diciptakan dan Yang Mutlak
bahwa ada sesuatu yg hidup ngga ada wujudnya (tdk lahir, dijelmakan, dibuat&diciptakan), sesuatu itu adalah sebuah keadaan, bahwa setiap orang bisa mencapai keadaan itu.

dari perbandingan yang saya ambil plek dari wikipedia.org itu, jelas2x dasar iman (iman=percaya) antara hindu dan budha beda.

namun, selanjutnya semua agama itu memiliki kesepakatan yang tak pernah di bicarakan:  "Lakukan Kebaikan dan Hindari Keburukan"
dan pada praktek akhirnya memiliki kemiripan dan bahkan kesamaan.


Soal kesamaan dan perbedaan agama, seperti yang kita ketahui agama dibedakan menjadi agama langit dan bumi, dimana agama langit adalah agama yang jatoh (baca:turun) dari langit melalui wahyu yang di turunkan. dan agama bumi yang tumbuh dari pemahaman manusia.

di agama langit pun secara kasat mata bisa dibilang sama, antara islam dan kr1sten, sama2x punya konsep tuhan pencipta, nama tuhannya kalo ditulis juga plek sama persis. Bedanya kalo islam punya jenggot kalo kr1sten rambutnya pirang :-p **jokes**

*Mohon kita santai aja bro/sis - karena ini topik sangat mudah terbakar*

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #6 on: 20 September 2010, 08:18:23 PM »
Namo Buddhaya,

dimana disini artinya umat hindu mengakui adanya tuhan pencipta, lebih jelas lagi dalam penjelasan sifat brahman, yg ke 4 dari 5
"avibhaktaṁ ca bhūteṣu vibhaktam iva ca sthitam, bhūta-bhartṛ ca taj jñeyaṁ grasiṣṇu prabhaviṣṇu ca"
Walaupun Beliau terbagi di antara insani, namun Beliau tidak dapat dibagi. Ia mantap sebagai Yang Maha Tunggal. Ia pemelihara segala makhluk, dan Beliau menciptakan sekaligus memusnahkan mereka


Sepanjang yang saya ketahui Brahman itu tidak pernah menciptakan sesuatu walaupun segala sesuatu itu semuanya bersumber dari dirinya hal ini sejalan dengan Tathagatagarbha atau Yang Absolut dalam Sutta Pitaka, Udana VIII : 3, dalam perkembanganya ada prinsip aktif dan pasif dari Brahman demikian pula Tathagatagarbha atau Yang Absolut.

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #7 on: 20 September 2010, 10:06:31 PM »
Hindu mana dulu neh?

Hindu itu luassssssssssss

Dan pengertian Nirvana Hindu yang saya ketahui masih merupakan pandangan salah, sangat berbeda dengan konsep Nibanna yang diajarkan Sang Buddha.
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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #8 on: 20 September 2010, 10:12:13 PM »
Namo Buddhaya,

Hindu mana dulu neh?

Hindu itu luassssssssssss

Dan pengertian Nirvana Hindu yang saya ketahui masih merupakan pandangan salah, sangat berbeda dengan konsep Nibanna yang diajarkan Sang Buddha.

Hindu mana dulu neh? = Semua aliran yang termasuk dalam Agama Hindu, Silahkan baca sendiri : http://www.sivanandaonline.org/graphics/ebooks/swami_sivanandaji/downnload/all_about_hinduism.pdf

Dan pengertian Nirvana Hindu yang saya ketahui masih merupakan pandangan salah, sangat berbeda dengan konsep Nibanna yang diajarkan Sang Buddha = Kok anda bisa berpendapat demikian, coba jelaskan salahnya dimana?  :)

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #9 on: 21 September 2010, 04:50:04 AM »
menarik sih. jadi pengen tau kelanjutannya.
tp setau saya dalam hindu di kenal akan roh?
keknya beda ama buddhism yang nga mengenal roh:d

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #10 on: 21 September 2010, 08:54:32 AM »
hindu sangat banyak macemnya.
hindu bali aja berbeda jauuuuh dari hindu mainstream.
nirvananya bermacam2 definisi.
pencerahannya bermacam2 definisi.
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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #11 on: 21 September 2010, 04:17:38 PM »
Inti Ajaran hindu apa? :)
Langkah pertama adalah langkah yg terakhir...

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #12 on: 21 September 2010, 05:11:18 PM »
Bro Triyana yang baik, bila seseorang yang belum mendalami mengenai rokok mungkin menganggap setiap asap rokok sama saja, padahal bagi mereka yang telah mendalami (perokok tulen) mereka bisa membedakan antara rokok gudang garam dengan ji sam su misalnya..

Demikian juga pengertian Moksa dan Nibbana berbeda, karena pada waktu moksa ada atman yang kembali kepada Paramatman, sedangkan Nibbana Buddhis tak ada atman, yang ada hanya kumpulan unsur-unsur kemelekatan (pancakhandha) yang timbul oleh kondisi-kondisi

Berhentinya kondisi-kondisi itulah yang disebut Nibbana.

Menurut perkiraan saya moksa adalah masuk ke alam Jhana (yang dapat turun dan terlahir kembali). Sedangkan Nibbana adalah terlepas/terbebas dari seluruh 31 alam kehidupan dan tak akan terlahir kembali.
 
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Tiga hal ini, O para bhikkhu dilakukan secara rahasia, bukan secara terbuka.
Bercinta dengan wanita, mantra para Brahmana dan pandangan salah.

Tiga hal ini, O para Bhikkhu, bersinar secara terbuka, bukan secara rahasia.
Lingkaran rembulan, lingkaran matahari serta Dhamma dan Vinaya Sang Tathagata

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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #13 on: 21 September 2010, 05:15:03 PM »
Yg penting ada 3 hal yg hrus diluruskan dlam smua sekte di budhisme, 1. Buddha it bkan tuhan, 2. Tuhan it bkan buddha, 3. Tuhan it tak ada,hanya ilusi semata plus pengaruh dr agama2 tetangga..
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Re: Agama Buddha dan Agama Hindu kesamaan dan perbedaan. (Mari kita diskusi)
« Reply #14 on: 21 September 2010, 05:22:31 PM »
Yg penting ada 3 hal yg hrus diluruskan dlam smua sekte di budhisme, 1. Buddha it bkan tuhan, 2. Tuhan it bkan buddha, 3. Tuhan it tak ada,hanya ilusi semata plus pengaruh dr agama2 tetangga..

Bro Kevin Kin yang baik, tergantung dari pengertian Tuhan itu sendiri, bila Tuhan adalah pencipta tunggal seperti pandangan agama-agama timur tengah, atau Tuhan ada banyak seperti pandangan agama Hindu, Mesir dan Yunani, maka Tuhan seperti itu tak ada di Buddhis.

Tetapi bila yang dimaksud Tuhan itu pengertiannya hanya sebatas Udana VII:3, maka Tuhan itu ada.

Tiga hal ini, O para bhikkhu dilakukan secara rahasia, bukan secara terbuka.
Bercinta dengan wanita, mantra para Brahmana dan pandangan salah.

Tiga hal ini, O para Bhikkhu, bersinar secara terbuka, bukan secara rahasia.
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